FIND THE OUTSIDE is a podcast about making change with this key truth at the centre: fresh air always helps.
A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tuesday (Ryan-Hart) Rivera and Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. For surprising turns, mind-blowing perspective shifts, and good ideas no matter what's in the way.
In this podcast, we’ll share our greatest light-bulb moments as we advance our own understanding of this work. We’re also interviewing a number of our mentors, colleagues and clients. It’s AMAZING. We’re doing it live, and inviting you in. Welcome!
As Tim says in the very first episode: reflection is too important to leave to chance. These conversations give us (and you!) a chance to slow down, catch our breath, and see our space and our work more clearly. Subscribe, share, and watch for new episodes. We’re happy to be in your ears!
Season 7
7.04: Outside Conversations with Sparrow Hart - On Transformation, Sacrifice & Strength
Tim and Tuesday are joined by vision quest guide and author, Sparrow Hart, where they discuss the journey of leading vision quests and the essence of what a vision quest entails. They delve into the importance of sacrifice in personal growth and the daily challenges faced when navigating life changes. They also explore the profound themes of transformation, grief, powerlessness, and the journey of self-discovery through the lens of the vision quest. || November 12, 2024
7.03: Outside Tues + Tim - On finding your internal compass
In this engaging episode, Tim and Tuesday discuss the importance of recognizing crossroads in life and how to navigate them intentionally. They emphasize the significance of internal work and finding one's internal compass, moving from a mindset of action to one of reflection and integration. Tim and Tues also explore the transitions in their lives as they approach the second half of their professional journeys; including the importance of self-discovery, claiming one's path, and integrating inner work with external responsibilities. || October 29, 2024
7.02: Outside Tues + Tim - Burning the door behind me
Tim and Tuesday continue their exploration of crossroads where they discuss the importance of accepting reality, the impact of learning on our choices, and the significance of nature and rituals in healing. Tim delves into the transformative experience of his recent vision quest, the power of poetry as a means of expression, and the practical implications of spiritual journeys. Together, Tim and Tuesday emphasize the necessity of sacrifice and responsibility in making meaningful life choices. Dive in! || October 15, 2024
7.01: Outside Tues + Tim: On the complexity and richness of crossroads
We’re back! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 7 and they’ve brought Gian Paul Ganzoni and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly along for the ride! In this season opener, the four Outsiders share their personal crossroads. Gian Paul is at a crossroads of combining organizational development and biomimicry, while Gabrielle is navigating her return to work after a period of chronic illness. Tim reflects on the challenges of balancing work and personal life, and Tuesday emphasizes the importance of having diverse perspectives and support when facing crossroads. Join us on a season-long inquiry into crossroads and to embrace the opportunities for growth and transformation. It’s going to be delicious. || October 1, 2024
Season 6
6.16: Outside Tues + Tim - By becoming present you are becoming part
In the final episode of Season 6, Tuesday and Tim explore the idea of nature as a self-regulating system and the multiplicity within it, the value of being present and enjoying life in the present moment, and the importance of finding a personal practice that brings joy and relaxation, rather than viewing it as a battle against anxiety. Tues also shares her experience and learnings running the Luminosity Intensive and the transformative impact it had on the participants. At the end of the episode, they pull cards from an oracle deck to provide guidance for the summer. Tune in to find out more! || June 25, 2024
6.13: Outside Conversations with Christel Scholten - On the formative experiences of change
Tuesday and Tim welcome Christel Scholten, long-time friend, colleague and Managing Director of Reos Partners - Brazil. In this episode, Christel shares her background and journey from circle work to large-scale change. She emphasizes the importance of courage and audacity in pursuing one's purpose and she discusses her deep connection to the feminine and her work in Brazil, particularly in transforming the fashion industry. || April 16, 2024
6.10: Outside Conversations with Katie Redford + Annie Plotkin-Madrigal - On being a standing rock
Tuesday and Tim welcome Katie Redford and Annie Plotkin-Madrigal of the Equation Campaign. In this pod, Annie and Katie explain the need for a different approach to climate philanthropy, how they confront and challenge the power of the fossil fuel industry by investing in frontline communities and movements, and the way they approach their work with a combination of head, heart, and hands. Driven by the belief that true change requires confronting corporate power, disruption, and a focus on justice, the Equation Campaign has set a 10 year deadline for their audacious work. Welcome to this brilliant conversation. || February 20, 2024
6.07: Outside Tues + Tim - Reflections on the Changing Community Series - On action and discernment
Tuesday and Tim reflect on the Changing Community series, share The Outside’s AWESOME upcoming course offerings and trainings, introduce the Changing Planet series, highlight the importance of action and discernment in creating change, and discuss why Tim and Tues do not believe in New Year’s resolutions. This one has it all, friends. Tune in. || January 9, 2024
6.04: Outside Conversations with Francis Kangata + Tim Merry - How following your joy makes a community
Tuesday is joined by Tim Merry and Francis Kangata, co-founders of Mahone Bay United, where they talk about the founding and purpose of Mahone Bay United, the positive impacts that football can have on players, families and the larger community, their working relationship, what’s next for the Club, and the opportunities and challenges of making change in community. This one has all the feels, friends. Tune in. || November 14, 2023
6.01: Outside Tues + Tim - Season 6: Spirit At Work
Here we go, friends! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 6 of the podcast. In this season opener, they talk about what they’ve been up this summer, let us in on the series of conversations they are offering up this year, along with some of the incredible people they’re interviewing. Join us for an inspiring new season of spirit at work. || October 3, 2023
6.15: Outside Tues + Tim - Tim & Tuesday’s evolution with the Art of Hosting
Tim and Tuesday discuss their experience with the Art of Hosting, a global community of practice focused on participatory leadership and problem-solving, where they reflect on their involvement in the community and their evolution within it. They share memories from their early days and the importance of creating the right conditions for people to solve their own problems. They also discuss how they have integrated their learnings from the Art of Hosting and developed their own approach and methodologies, while still maintaining a close relationship with the community. || May 14, 2024
Tuesday and Tim welcome Dr. Geneen Marie Haugen & Dr. Laura Blakeman, of the Animas Valley Institute, where they invite listeners to imagine a different future rooted in interconnectedness and a deeper understanding of our place in the world, discuss the concept of animacy and the importance of recognizing the aliveness and intelligence of the world around us. They explore the profound intimacy and reciprocal relationship that can be experienced with all beings, and the implications of this worldview at different scales. They also discuss the need to invite back the wild twin within ourselves and the importance of engaging in full aliveness. Geneen and Laura also provide practical advice on how to begin cultivating a deeper relationship with the animate world. || April 2, 2024
6.09: Outside Conversations with Brett Kencairn - On the promise of the fourth wave
Tuesday and Tim welcome Brett KenCairn, a leader in the development of a new field of urban nature-based solutions. Brett brings a fresh eye to what is happening around the world, climate and ecology as well as a deeply visionary and hopeful stance for the future. This conversation, much like Brett, is both strategic and soulful. Come on in. || February 6, 2024
6.06: Outside Conversations with Manish Jain - On the exponential possibilities of love and trust
Tuesday and Tim are joined by the brilliant Manish Jain, co-founder of Swaraj University, and one of the leading planetary voices for deschooling our lives and reimagining education. A longtime friend and colleague of Tuesday and Tim, Manish continues to provoke and challenge our thinking as the three dive into differing worldviews, how we can love and trust each other, and how we can support ourselves and others to build community in all kinds of different ways. || December 19, 2023
6.03: Outside Conversations with Deanna James - Doing philanthropy differently
Tuesday and Tim are joined by Deanna James, President of the St. Croix Foundation, where they talk about philanthropy as a system, how the St. Croix Foundation is doing philanthropy differently, and how Deanna is redirecting power in new ways to drive social change that will make impact beyond the boundaries of St. Croix. This one is provocative, friends. Tune in. || October 31, 2023
Special Episodes:
Special Episode: Luminosity Intensive: A Program for Women to Light up the World!
On today’s special episode of the pod, join Tuesday as she describes her latest offering: Luminosity Intensive: A Program for Women to Light up the World. The intensive is a transformative 12-week online journey designed specifically for women who are ready to embrace their true essence and illuminate the world with their light. But the Luminosity Intensive is not just an offering, Tuesday shares "it feels like I am the butterfly coming out of the chrysalis on this one. This offering is ushering in the next me in so many ways, and so I want to share these tender new, unfurling wings." Listen in to learn more! || February 22, 2024
6.14: Outside Tues + Tim: Practices for Connecting to Your Inner Compass
Tim and Tuesday reflect on the Changing Spirit series featuring Christel Scholten from Reos Partners and Laura Blakeman and Geneen Marie Haugen from the Animas Valley Institute. They reflect on the deepening commitment, curiosity, and inspiration they felt after these conversations as well as the practicality of engaging with the natural world and the importance of recognizing the aliveness and intelligence of the world around us. They also dive into the concept of following one's curiosity and finding one's true path in life as well as the importance of practices that connect us to our inner compass and the significance of having a circle of people who define and love us for who we are. || April 30, 2024
6.11; Outside Tues + Tim - On shifting paradigms for a changing planet
Tuesday and Tim reflect on the Changing Planet series and their grounded conversations with Zaid Hassan, Brett KenCairn, Katie Redford, and Annie Plotkin-Madrigal. They reflect on the importance of a coherent articulation of your stance, shifting paradigms, embracing nature-based solutions, and the role of spirit and indigenous ways of being in creating meaningful change. They also invite YOU to the final series of the pod in which we will explore the intersection of spirituality and transformation. Season 6 is off the charts! || March 5, 2024
6.08: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan - Making a moral argument for unintended consequences
Tuesday and Tim are excited to welcome back writer, strategist, facilitator, CEO of 10-in-10, and author of The Social Labs Revolution, Zaid Hassan, where he helps us kick off our first episode in the “Changing Planet” series through his second book - “How To Evolve: Using evolution to fix culture, politics and economics, stop the world from frying, & why it’s not that hard.”|| January 23, 2024
6.05: Outside Conversations with David Stevenson - Some things are better left said
Tuesday and Tim are joined by David Stevenson, CEO of the Moose Hide Campaign, where they deep dive into the practice of Circle, the incredible work of the Moose Hide Campaign; including the reason they’ve identified men and boys for their work, the need for connection and skill-building in our relationships to address intimate partner violence, how this campaign is creating social connectivity, and how the Moose Hide Campaign is focused on scaling wide to let the medicine carry its own depth and conversation. || November 28, 2023
6.02: Outside Conversations with Chris Corrigan + Caitlin Frost - On the reciprocity of community
Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friends and colleagues, Chris Corrigan & Caitlin Frost, where they help us kick off our first series of the pod on Changing Community. Chris and Caitlin share stories of what community means to them, the idea of “claiming and being claimed,” creating the container, boundaries, and reciprocity. What a delicious way to start! || October 17, 2023
Special Episode: An Invitation to Navigating Transformation
Today’s special episode of the pod is YOUR invitation to an exciting new offer from The Outside. Tuesday is launching a four-part workshop for women on Navigating Transformation. This is our call to all the KICK-ASS women out there who are looking for what’s next, what’s different and wanting more. Join us. We kick off on October 25th. || October 12, 2023
Season 5
5.23: Outside Tues + Tim - Choose your own Change Adventure
For the final episode of Season 5, Tues and Tim chat about the mosaic of this season’s podcast guests who pushed, expanded, and made them think differently. Change is on and we are all adapting, as the circumstances around us shift. Anyone who clings to a simple answer risks getting lost along the way. Tune in for some great reflections and ways to forge forwards in the midst of uncertainty. || July 18, 2023
5.20: Learning + Evaluation Spotlight Series: A Conversation with Jamie Gamble - Barriers to Thinking Well
For today’s second episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to Jamie Gamble, one of the leading experts in developmental evaluation. We talk about power/strategy in how data is used and interpreted, which is a major concern with those interested in equity. We talk about the positive experience that evaluation can bring to change efforts, AND we talk neutrality - a concept that you know The Outside can be skeptical about! || June 13, 2023
5.17: Outside Tues + Tim - On Burning Man!
Join Tuesday and Tim as they deep dive into the world of Burning Man! Burning Man is a radical attempt to create and experience an alternative society; a place where human generosity, creativity, and hard work are leading us to a different future. Sound familiar? Listen in. || May 9, 2023
5.14: Outside Conversations with Brandon Dubé + Meg Buzzi - On what is possible in the present
Tuesday and Tim are joined by co-founders of the Present of Work, Meg Buzzi and Brandon Dubé, where they introduce the Present of Work, the importance of pausing and reflecting on the reality of what people do and who they are, what becomes possible when we are open to surfacing those conversations and refocusing on the relational, and how investing in teams has an enormous impact on leadership's ability to carry out their long-term plans. || March 28, 2023
Tuesday and Tim are joined by Natalie Williams + Alex Schneider, advocates of social change, who talk about their work at The Wellbeing Blueprint, of reimagining a country where everyone has an opportunity for wellbeing. || February 14, 2023
Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, co-founder and co-director of EmbraceRace, Andrew Grant-Thomas, to talk about the founding of EmbraceRace, its work in the world, the future of a multiracial democracy, advocacy and how we can talk (and listen!) to our children about race. || January 17, 2023
5.05: Outside Tues + Tim: On our relationships to privilege
Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their "Authors Series" - interviews with writers Zaid Hassan, Cyndi Suarez and Richard Beard - who are each trying to change the world in wildly different ways. In this episode, they explore what provoked them and the various different angles each of these "big brained" guests brought into privilege and into the scale, scope and depth of the work that we're trying to do in the world. || November 29, 2022
5.02: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan - The maturing practice of complexity
Tuesday and Tim are joined by CEO of 10-in-10 and author of The Social Labs Revolution, Zaid Hassan, where they talk about invitations into work, how consultants can (or can not!) affect change, what 10-in-10 is doing differently to reinvent the future, and what drives Zaid to tackle the complex challenges of our times. || October 18, 2022
For the final episode in our Learning and Evaluation spotlight series, Tuesday and Gabrielle reflect on what they learned from our spotlight guests, how The Outside works with evaluation, and how evaluation can support the celebration of successes along the way while also holding up a mirror for what needs attention in the centering of equity. || July 4, 2023
For today’s first episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to the indomitable Dr. Dominica McBride where we explore evaluation as a pathway for healing oppression, visioning and dreaming together what is possible, and how community can be foundational in the work. Exciting, right?! Tune in. || June 6, 2023
5.16: Outside Tues + Tim - On complexity + Simplicity
Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Meg Buzzi, Brandon Dubé, and Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé. These two sets of conversations offered up very different questions of change making, how to view the world, and how to orient toward the world in our work. We are inspired for what’s in front of us; we hope you are too! || April 25, 2023
5.13: Outside Tues + Tim - On emotional labour
Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Natalie Williams, Alexander Schneider, Tenneson Woolf and Quanita Roberson. These two sets of conversations brought forward some interesting insights into the different pathways toward racial justice, an exploration on the accepted dogma around emotional labour and what is ours to do. This is a juicy one, friends. Listen in and let us know what you think. || March 14, 2023
5.10: Outside Conversations with Tuesday Ryan-Hart + Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly - We wrote a book chapter!
On today's special episode of the pod, Tim and guest host, Sommer Sibilly-Brown, are excited and proud to chat with Tuesday and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly about their recently published book chapter in the "Handbook for Creative Futures." Their chapter "Taking a Radical Stance for Complex Joy in the Work of Shaping Change" was a journey of pure love and joy (pun intended). Listen in to find out more. || February 9, 2023
5.07: Outside Conversations with Shaun Rutland - On following your passion to success
Tuesday and Tim are joined by Shaun Rutland, CEO and co-founder of Hutch, a video games company based in the UK and Nova Scotia. Together, they travel along a fascinating journey through his early life all the way to the founding of Hutch; including the type of leader he wants to become and the type of leader needed in the world right now. || January 3, 2023
5.04: Outside Conversations with Richard Beard - On Sad Little Men
Tuesday and Tim are joined by Richard Beard, author of Sad Little Men - Private Schools and the Ruin of England, where they deep dive into his book and the systemic impacts of leaders, trained in boarding schools, on our systems, services, structures, programs and infrastructure. || November 15, 2022
5.01: Outside Tues + Tim - Season 5 [million]… here we gooooooo!
Here we go, friends! Tim and Tuesday are back for Season 5 of the podcast. In this season opener, they talk about what they’ve been up this summer [hint: Burning of the Man was involved!] and highlight some of the awesome people they’re interviewing. Join us for another inspiring new season of conversations. || October 4, 2022
For the third episode in our spotlight series on Learning and Evaluation, we talk to Dr. Gladys Rowe. We talked about finding your people, sharing visions, building foundations, undoing internal narratives, decolonial futures and indigenous resurgence. It’s a remarkable conversation. Enjoy! || June 20, 2023
5.18: Mini Spotlight Series - Learning + Evaluation
The Outside is excited to be hosting a mini spotlight series on "Learning + Evaluation" for the month of June. Hosted by Tuesday Ryan-Hart and Dr. Gabrielle Donnelly, we’re shedding a light on one of key pillars of The Outside’s work, methods to support action learning! || May 23, 2023
5.15: Outside Conversations with Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé - An invitation to break the spell
Tuesday and Tim are joined by Dr. Báyò Akómoláfé where they discuss ancestors and new gods, the concept of slushy time, the soul as “between,” the human as a map, how we show up in the world, and Báyò’s invitation to all of us. This is a brilliant - in EVERY sense of the word! - episode. || April 11, 2023
5.12: Outside Conversations with Tenneson Woolf + Quanita Roberson - An invtiation to something bigger
Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friends and colleagues, Tenneson Woolf & Quanita Roberson, where they talk about their friendship, their backgrounds and work together, what surprises them about working as a cross-racial, cross-gender team and ancestral healing. This is a beautiful one, folks. Tune in. || February 28, 2023
5.09: Outside Tues + Tim - On serendipity to success
Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Alex McCann, Shaun Rutland and Andrew Grant-Thomas. Three inspirational leaders who are very different but who all talked about their children and their serendipitous journey to the leaders they’ve become. || January 31, 2023
5.06: Outside Conversations with Alex McCann - On beliefs, power imbalances and leadership
Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, past Activating Change cohort participant and Executive Director of the Organization for Nova Scotia Innovation Driven Entrepreneurship, Alexandra (Alex) McCann, where they talk about her background, dedication to create innovation-driven entrepreneurial community in Nova Scotia, sustainable development, the difference between tied and untied aid, and what it’s like to be a woman of color leading innovation in the province. || Dec 13, 2022
5.03: Outside Conversations with Cyndi Suarez - On innovation, racial justice, and edge leadership
Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend, author and president and editor in chief of Nonprofit Quarterly, Cyndi Suarez, where they talk about her work in shifting the discourse in nonprofits toward many things: innovation, racial justice, and edge leadership. Cyndi is breaking new ground in how the sector is thinking about making change and is full of ideas and practices that challenges the way we typically think about things. This one is ground shaking, folks! Enjoy. || November 1, 2022
Season 4
4.15: Outside Tues + Tim: Mentorship That Matters
Join Tuesday and Tim on their season finale episode where they reflect on their conversation with long-time friend and mentor, Toke Moeller - his personal presence, practice, knowledge, reflection, depth and grounding - it’s all in this one, folks! We also dive into what you can expect for Season 5. Hint: It’s going to be full of more amazing conversations! || July 19, 2022
4.12: Outside Conversations with Pascal Porchet - On the vulnerabilities of change
Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and colleague, Pascal Porchet, Chief of Staff for the International Committee of the Red Cross’ (ICRC) Global Operations. Tune in to hear how he navigates massive organizational transformation and the management of 15,000 staff world wide. This is a remarkable window into the life of a senior leader who engages with organizational top-down and bottom-up pressures, launching local interventions within the context of the global geopolitical landscape. Listen in to hear about Pascal's personal journey of transformation and his top tips for leading large scale change. || June 7, 2022
4.09: Outside Conversations with Colleen Magner + Mahmood Sonday - On bending the arc of change
Join Tim and Tuesday for a session with Colleen Magner and Mahmood Sonday, leaders of Reos Partners South Africa, who give us a remarkable insight into change making 30 years after the end of Apartheid. || April 26, 2022
4.06: Outside Conversations with Minnesota Public Health Leaders - Grit + Grace: Leading in Public Health
What is leadership in these times? Hear from senior leaders in public health navigating the public opinions and political pressures of COVID in Minnesota, where George Floyd was murdered. Race, politics, activism, strategy, evidence based decisions, rapid responsiveness, courage and good humour all show up as the ingredients in these brilliant leaders lives and work. If you want to hear what it's like to be on the leading edge at this time, tune in. There are no better teachers than those who are DOING IT RIGHT NOW. || March 15, 2022
4.03: Outside Conversations with Arawana Hayashi - On listening to the wisdom of our bodies
Tuesday and Tim are joined by Arawana Hayashi, founder of the Social Presencing Theater, where she talks about the wisdom in bringing forward our embodied intelligence to guide our relationships and systems change work, how The Outside (and you!) can highlight collective body intelligence in its work, and the practice of listening into one’s own - or social - body.|| February 1, 2022
4.00: Outside Conversations with Dr. Robert Strang
Tuesday and Tim are joined by Dr. Robert Strang, Nova Scotia's Chief Medical Officer of Health, where they discuss the topic on EVERYONE'S mind these days, COVID (and the omicron variant!), his personal leadership, and public health. As the one leading the charge of the response to the COVID-19 pandemic in Nova Scotia, how does he continue to hold his centre and what is he learning? || December 14, 2021
4.14: Outside Conversations with Toke Moeller - On the practices that allow opposites to exist
Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friend, and mentor, Toke Moeller, co-founder of the Art of Hosting, The Flow Game, and The Practising for Peace dojo. Toke is one of the most grounded, pragmatic and visionary leaders we know. The conversation dives deep into the practices which can serve you both personally, professionally, and collectively, the need to slow down in the face of urgency, the understanding, practicing, and seeking of wisdom, the building of capacity to build more capacity for future generations, and how you can connect to the momentum from, what Toke calls, “Life Force." || July 5, 2022
4.11: Outside Conversations with Carolyn Townsend - On the sport of systems change
There are people trailblazing new paths and there are good people working in broken systems trying to make change. Both are needed. Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and past client, Carolyn Townsend, principal owner of Alongside Strategy & Innovation and co-founder of the Future of Hockey Lab. They discuss the opportunities for, and barriers to, accessible sport in Nova Scotia, the challenges of "systems change" nebulous language, and the power and vulnerability of optimism and hope. || May 24, 2022
4.08: Outside Conversations with Tatiana Fraser + Rachel Sinha - Sanctuary for the Trail Blazers
Where are the islands of sanity in the midst of this modern mayhem? Where can I catch my breath, see the bigger picture and prioritize my next strategic steps? Join Rachel Sinha and Tatiana Fraser, the co-founders of The Systems Sanctuary, in their conversation with Tuesday and Tim. The four of them share stories of their work and explore some key learnings on the ascendency of relationships, peer learning as a strategy, how power plays out in a systems analysis, why they bring a feminist analysis and lens to their work, and how depth and connection bring joy into the work. || April 12, 2022
4.05: Outside Tues + Tim: On Strategy, Body + Spirit
Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on the last three episodes of the pod with dear friends and mentors, Adam Kahane, Arawana Hayashi & Margaret Wheatley. Tune in to hear how these three leaders continue to influence the field of systems change, how they’re informing Tim and Tuesday’s personal and professional journeys, and how it’s all interwoven. || March 1, 2022
4.02: Outside Conversations with Adam Kahane - On Facilitating Breakthrough
Tuesday and Tim are joined by long-time friend, mentor, author, and thought leader, Adam Kahane, Director of Reos Partners, where he talks about the inspiration and reasons for writing his most recent book, Facilitating Breakthrough: How to Remove Obstacles, Bridge Differences, and Move Forward Together. || January 18, 2022
4.13: Outside Tues + Tim - On good people in broken systems
Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their conversations with Pascal Porchet and Carolyn Townsend. They dive into all things systems change - language, personal transformation, heartbreak, hope, and the amazing people doing good work in broken systems every day. || June 21, 2022
4.10: Outside Tues + Tim - Not allowing silence
Join Tuesday and Tim as they talk about what's up for them personally and professionally and reflect on the recent conversations with systems change duos from Reos Partners South Africa and The Systems Sanctuary - Colleen Magner, Mahmood Sonday, Rachel Sinha, and Tatiana Fraser. Tim brings some pretty provocative statements in this one, folks! It’s juicy. Tune in. || May 10, 2022
4.07: Outside Tues + Tim: On our conversations with public health leaders
Public Health leaders have been on the forefront on change over the last 2 years. They've had to rise to the inherent complexity of our times and deliver within the medical, community, and political arenas.Join Tuesday and Tim as they reflect on their interviews with public health leaders in Canada and the US. They talk about what COVID has brought to the surface for these leaders and public health in general, what they’ve learned through these interviews, and why we should be shouting all of this from the rooftops. || March 29, 2022
4.04: Outside Conversations with Margaret Wheatley - On The Warrior’s Songline
Tuesday and Tim are joined by friend and mentor, Margaret (Meg) Wheatley, co-founder and president of The Berkana Institute, where she talks about the journey of her new work - a multi-sensory experience - The Warrior’s Songline, the natural world, and the recognition that memories, history, and information that we need are in the land. || February 15, 2022
4.01: Outside Tues + Tim - On the Outside Conversations of Season 4
They’re back! In the first episode of season four, Tim and Tuesday chat through what you can expect for Season 4. From interviews with mentors and elders in the field, to clients working to make change, to Tim & Tuesday’s professional and personal journeys. This is a short one but it's chock-full! Join us for an invigorating, insightful, and inspiring new season. || Janaury 4, 2022
Season 3
3:19: Stop, Collaborate + Listen
TO IS HERE WITH THE FINALE EDITION || Season three’s final episode has Tim and Tuesday reflecting on the impact of COVID on our lives and work. What do we need to shed to truly renew? Season three ends with a bang! || June 22, 2021
ON NEUTRALITY, DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY & ROLLING STONES || Join Tim & Tuesday as they share their wildest dreams for The Outside with Organizational Development Strategist, and new member of The Outside team, Gian Paul Ganzoni. || April 27, 2021
ON PUZZLE PEICES, SHAME AND DISCOVERIES || Join us on a journey to the underworld as we dig deep into some of the harder and more hidden aspects of the work of systems change & equity and what it demands of each us individually. This episode is not for the faint-hearted, kit up and dive in. || March 2, 2021
ON TAKING THE CIRCUITOUS ROUTE TO DISCOVERY || Tim & Tuesday kick off the new year reflecting on the turning points of 2020 while reaching into history and ancestry to lend some meaning and insight on this moment we’re in and where we go from here. || January 5, 2021
SMALL REFLECTS ALL || Tim and Tuesday talk with fellow Outsiders, Sommer Sibilly-Brown and Kristina Torres, where they introduce us to the Island of St. Croix, Crucians and how this small island can show us that big change can be done differently. || November 3, 2021
ON FEEDBACK FROM OUR LISTENERS - WHAT WE HEARD + WHAT’S TO COME || Tim & Tuesday are joined by fellow Outsider, Jermaine Henry, where they reflect together on feedback from our listeners and brainstorm the possibilities of the podcast moving forward. Hint - Jermaine will be involved! || June 8, 2021
CHOICES IN TRANSITIONS || Too much control and we kill learning, not enough order and things fall apart. The Outside is changing and maturing. Listen in as Tim & Tuesday explore what The Outside is asking of them as co-founders. What role suits them best? Do they stay small and deepen their niche or do they grow, broaden and expand? || April 13, 2021
A CHARCUTERIE OF MUSHROOMS AND MAGIC || The Outside commissioned a retrospective on the last 3 years of our work. We’re letting you in on all the things - what clients had to say about our work, our branding audit, and why we were compared with people who take mushrooms. It’s hot! || February 16, 2021
ON WILLPOWER, TRUST AND A FUTURE THAT CLAIMS US || Tim & Tuesday host a far ranging conversation on how they relate to ambition and willpower in their work. How is our drive helping, and hindering, our ability to do the work we love? || December 15, 2021
JOURNEYS OF SELF-DISCOVERY || What does the spiritual journey look like for people involved in large scale systems change work? How is the spiritual path different from the mental health and leadership journeys also at play for those engaged in change initiatives? Listen in as Tim and Tuesday share some of their own personal journeys and what they're discovering along the way. || October 20, 2021
ON CREATING THE CONDITIONS FOR CHANGE & EQUITY || Change is on everywhere! This week we hear from Matt Hall, Founder and CEO of Agile Geoscience. He talks about changes they are leading in the energy sector and we get to compare notes from our work. Join us for an engaging, provocative and fun dialogue where worlds collide! || May 25, 2021
ON FOUNDATIONS, FUTURES AND ‘ANYTHING CAN BE’ || Join in as Tim & Tuesday discuss The Outside’s third anniversary and their changing role as co-founders and the face of The Outside. As the team and business expands, the founders must change how they lead. || March 30, 2021
ON VALUES, ONLINE TOOLS + LIVING MANY LIVES || Tim and Tuesday welcome Jeremy Lu, co-founder of the online collaboration tool GroupMap. Get ready for a conversation that reveals his incredible life experiences, and digs into why it matters which online tools we use to build the world we want. || February 2, 2021
ON NAVIGATING CLASS, WEALTH AND SHARING POWER || Tim & Tuesday dive into a conversation on class, spurred on by a recent conversation with an Outsider about delegation and leadership. Join in as we explore money, class structures, hierarchy, unconscious bias, leadership responsibilities and more - all within the the very practical context of the structure of The Outside. || December 1, 2021
FINDING THE LANGUAGE THAT CAN BRIDGE WORLDS || In the first episode of season three, Tim and Tuesday talk with Cyndi Suarez, author of The Power Manual, where they explore the complexities of power and language. Join us for an invigorating, heartfelt and insightful conversation. || October 6, 2021
ON EXPERIENCE, EXPANSION & EXPECTATIONS || “Does it always have to be the two of you together?” Dive in with Tim, Tuesday and their business coach, Frances Baldwin, as they respond to this very provocative question. || May 11, 2021
ON GODDESSES AND SOCCER || All inclusive soccer at Mahone Bay United. A Goddess Class that is building a community rooted in the divine feminine. Listen in as Tim and Tuesday share their personal passions and what’s keeping them inspired and grounded in life and work. || March 16, 2021
ON UNSTOPPABLE MOMENTUM || Tim & Tuesday talk through what is inexorable in ourselves and the world right now and what is open to our influence. To meet the unstoppable momentum of these times, they explore what mythical weapons they will be taking into 2021. Intrigued, right?!! Listen in. || January 19, 2021
ON FINDING THE SOUL OF THE WORK || Inspired by Dr. Martin Shaw and author Cyndi Suarez, Tim and Tuesday explore the power of words, story and myth in systems change. How can "Articulation Leadership" add depth and momentum to groups seeking to make progress on big change? || November 17, 2021
SEASON 2
STAYING INTERCONNECTED || Tim and Tuesday wrap up Season 2 up by offering a piece of advice: stay woven! Stay woven with the people you care about, stay woven with the people you work with and pay attention to how woven and connected you are in your communities. || June 30, 2020
LEADERSHIP IN THE TIME OF COVID || What leadership is needed now? What are we learning in community, in business and globally about leadership? Join Tim and Tuesday as they dive into these questions, and more, for episode seventeen of season two. || May 19, 2020
ON MATCHING OUR RHETORIC WITH OUR ACTION || For episode fourteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday host a conversation with members of the NYC Administration for Children Services Operations Team where they reflect on the work so far, their learnings and their advice for those helping to lead large-scale change across a system.|| April 7, 2020
HOW TO PROTECT THE OPTIMISM WE NEED FOR MASSIVE RESPONSE AND MASSIVE HEART || For episode eleven of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how hope can — and must — co-exist with an acknowledgement of where we are, even in crisis or struggle. If we are to respond massively to an emerging future, and grapple with our current reality, what steps can we take to preserve optimism? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || March 3, 2020
SLOWING DOWN FOR UNDERSTANDING: THE RELATIONSHIPS AND PATTERNS OF FIX-IT MODE || Tim and Tuesday talk about the fix-it phenomenon. When we rush to solutions, we’re likely to repeat the very problems that gave us the challenge in the first place. How can we cultivate a new pattern of pause and examination? For show notes, visit the episode page. || January 21, 2020
WHAT’S AT THE CENTRE, AND WHY: ADVENTURES IN THE SEEKING OF EQUITY || In episode five of season two, Tim and Tuesday venture into the heart of their change work: equity. How do we relate across lines of race, class, and gender, and how do we keep these considerations on the table in all of our work and in our working relationships? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || November 26, 2019
Episode 2.02: Across the Divide
ON FINDING UNEXPECTED ALLIANCES || Tim and Tuesday interview Jacob Watkins of Price Waterhouse Cooper (PwC). In collaboration with the International Committee of the Red Cross, Jacob has brought a remarkably different point of view, resulting in an incredibly rich field of learning for the unlikely trio. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || October 15, 2019
WAKING UP AND MAKING CHANGE || For episode nineteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday delve into the hopefulness, the openness, the fear, and the fragility they are seeing in this moment of people rising up together to demand change. || June 9, 2020
FACING OURSELVES AS WE SHELTER IN PLACE || For episode sixteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reflect on how sheltering in place, during COVID-19, is presenting an opportunity for the discovery of other parts of ourselves and how unsettling that can be. || May 5, 2020
HOW ARE YOU TURNING UP IN THIS UNPRECEDENTED TIME? || For episode thirteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday reach out to explain what they are doing, both personally and professionally, during the Coronavirus outbreak. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || March 24, 2020
FINDING THE LANGUAGE TO NAVIGATE POWER AND SHARE IT WITH OTHERS || For episode ten of season two, Tim and Tuesday contemplate what exactly we mean by the concept of power — intergroup, structural or systemic. How can we best share it, and invite more people to pick it up? How can we wield the power we have with integrity? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || February 18, 2020
EXPERIENCE, THEORY, AND COMPASSION: A CONVERSATION || In our new year episode for season two, Tim and Tuesday sit down with Isoke Femi, who brings a beautifully enriching and unique perspective to the work of change. It’s a deeply inspiring transition from one decade to the next — and an invitation to open up to special magic in 2020. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || January 7, 2020
FROM STARTING TO BUILDING: BEHIND-THE-SCENES OF CHANGE WORK GROWTH || In episode four of season two, Tim and Tuesday move from a start-up mindset to next-phase growth. As enthusiastic prototypers and experimenters, how do we know one phase is done, and when it’s time to capture learning, institutionalize, and move on? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || November 12, 2019
THE HEART-EXPANSION AND OPPORTUNITY OF GENEROSITY || In the first episode of season two, Tim and Tuesday explore one of the most prescient requirements of equitable change: to draw out generosity, which cannot be forced, but earned. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || October 1, 2019
BIG CHANGE IS NEEDED – BUT HOW? || For episode eighteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday discuss what it means to take the work, and The Outside, to greater scale and longer lasting impact. || June 2, 2020
COVID-19 IS NOT THE SAME FOR ALL OF US || For episode fifteen of season two, Tim and Tuesday are excited to introduce you to two members of the Outside Team, Bronagh Gallagher and Sommer Sibilly-Brown. We hear their perspectives, from two different parts of the world, on COVID-19 and talk about how we are not all experiencing this pandemic in the same way. || April 21, 2020
ON INVITING PEOPLE INTO THE WORK, AND SEEING INVITATION AS CHALLENGE AND POSITIVE SHAKE-UP FOR OURSELVES AS LEADERS || For episode twelve of season two, Tim and Tuesday speak directly to the invitations they are receiving in the work of getting big change done. At this particular time in the world, what new dimensions and new experiences might we say ‘yes’ to in order to stay awake, see clearly and take action? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || March 17, 2020
LAYING THE STRUCTURE FOR EQUITY IN CHANGE WORK || Tim and Tuesday explore the foundations they’re laying in change work. As practitioners, it’s possible to set up our own structures in a way that creates the DNA of the world we want — even when growth is rapid. How can we work together to enact whole new principles of business? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || February 4, 2020
HOW THE LANGUAGE, THEORY, AND MODELS OF OUR LABELS RESTRICT OR GIVE FREEDOM || In episode six of season two, Tim and Tuesday talk about how adopting or shedding labels — political, economic, ideological, identity — can give access to change, but can also limit us in terms of how we might want to grow. How can we become less attached and more open? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || December 10, 2019
ON SPINNING PLATES AND PRESERVING HEART IN A BUSY LIFE AND WORLD || Tim and Tuesday explore the often talked-about, always sought-for, and ultimately elusive ideal of balance. In our journeys to reach ‘success’ — to have the greatest possible impact for a better tomorrow — what can we bring to our daily life to protect and renew our energies today? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || October 29, 2019
SEASON ONE
TAKE HEART + CULTIVATE READINESS FOR BOLD CHANGE
Tim and Tuesday wrap a year of incredible conversations with a reflection: as change facilitators, how can we find fertile and steady ground in emergent work? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || June 25, 2019
GROWING A BUSINESS OF CHANGE
Tim and Tuesday explore how we work with distributed teams: as ‘managers of one’, how can we stay connected and navigate complex issues and processes elegantly in the context of a rapidly-growing business? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || May 14, 2019
FROM EXPERIMENTATION TO ACTUALIZATION
The Outside’s team, story, and facilitation is a constant iteration—a balance of field work, personal growth, and big building. This week, Tim and Tuesday explore how to do justice to the work—and work to justice. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || April 2, 2019
EXAMINING YESTERDAY’S ACTIONS TO UNDERSTAND TODAY’S REALITY
Tim and Tuesday interpret our ancestors’ actions and impacts to grasp the underpinnings of our current world. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || February 19, 2019
HOW TO BUILD BRIDGES FOR ACTION AND CAPACITY THROUGH LISTENING
Tim and Tuesday dig into why we act without considering schisms at-play — and illuminate how and why we retreat from difficulty (and from each other). For show notes, visit the episode page. || January 8, 2019
HOW TO RECOGNIZE AND OPT OUT OF LIMITING BELIEFS FOR MOMENTUM
Tim and Tuesday explore the role played by limiting beliefs in their work on systems change, equity and leadership—and the practice of letting them go. For show notes, visit the episode page. || November 13, 2018
THE HOW-TO OF FACILITATION THAT BRINGS MORE — IDEAS, VOICES, CLARITY — FORWARD
Tim and Tuesday contemplate the nature of neutrality for hosts or facilitators. What are our obligations towards the people in the room? For show notes, visit the episode page. || October 2, 2018
HOW DATA UNDERPINS CLARITY AND MAPS TO BETTER FUTURES
Tim and Tuesday dig into the big-picture view that validates a good forward path. How can we quantify the current while extending our line of sight to future-making? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || June 11, 2019
Episode 1.17: Personal Practice
HOW TO TO KEEP CALM AND NOT-PANIC FOR BIG CHANGE
Tim and Tuesday explore how stay open and move forward in rooms electric with uncertainty? How can we make our energy as leaders a renewable resource? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || April 30, 2019
HOW CHANGE FACILITATORS LEVEL-UP POSSIBILITY IN THE ROOM
Facilitator, mentor, and friend Gibrán Rivera joins Tim and Tuesday for a conversation about how to practice togetherness to tackle insurmountable problems. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || MARCH 19, 2019
WINNING AND FORMATIVE GOODNESS
Tim and Tuesday deconstruct the change journey of a piece of work that rings bells across the spectrum. Using sport as a container, what can the rest of us learn about breaking through to ‘win’? For show notes, visit the episode page. || February 5, 2019
HOW TO STAGE THE ROOM FOR HEALING, MOMENTUM, AND SERIOUS PROGRESS
Tim and Tuesday empathize with collaborators separated by organizational difference or mandates — and explore how to draw out the greatest value. For show notes, visit the episode page. || December 11, 2018
ON STAYING SMALL AND DIRECTING ENERGY INSTEAD OF SCALING UP
Tim and Tuesday unpack why they’re not growing bigger, choosing to be small, flexible, and connected for the freedom to direct energy with precision. For show notes, visit the episode page. || October 30, 2018
HOW COLLABORATORS STAY IN RELATIONSHIP ALONG THE PATH OF SYSTEMS CHANGE
Tim and Tuesday recap the facilitation paths that led them towards their collaboration on equity, big systems change, and leadership. For show notes, visit the episode page. || October 2, 2018
FROM THE FLOOR: A NEW PROCESS FOR SYSTEMS THAT NEED CHANGE
Tim and Tuesday tell the story of a new, improvised process to orchestrate memorable, game-changing breakthroughs or surges ahead in understanding. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || May 28, 2019
HOW TO CONVENE FOR MULTI-SECTOR, MULTI-STAKEHOLDER CHANGE
Tim and Tuesday discover Forward Malmo, a movement uniting for multi-sector, multi-stakeholder change. How can we best share our problems and our work? || For show notes, visit the episode page. || April 16, 2019
EXAMINING YESTERDAY’S ACTIONS TO UNDERSTAND TODAY’S REALITY
Tim and Tuesday continue on history, impact, and our world, exploring how context fundamentally alters how we relate to each other. || For show notes, visit the episode page. || MARCH 5, 2019
HOW THE INSIGHT OF LOSS COMBATS CYNICISM AND DESPAIR IN CHANGE
Tim and Tuesday talk to author Kate Inglis on the parallels of how we can be light-keepers despite loss as human beings and impossible odds as change leaders. For show notes, visit the episode page. || January 22, 2019
Episode 1.07: How to Make a Living
HOW TO LEAD CHANGE AND BRING ENERGY WHEN YOU’VE GOT TO PAY THE BILLS
Tim and Tuesday invite us ‘backstage’ to share revelations and lessons along the path of making their work of systems change into a bankable business. For show notes, visit the episode page. || November 27, 2018
FACING SETBACKS, DISAPPOINTMENT, AND INJUSTICE AS A LEADERSHIP PRACTICE
Tim and Tuesday reflect on the mindset shift of seeing reality clearly — not just the future that we hope for — and the value of working with what is, right now. For show notes, visit the episode page. || October 16, 2018
WHAT MATTERS MOST AS CHANGE MAKERS PUSH BACK ON THE STATUS QUO?
Tim and Tuesday kick off with a lively conversation on backwards-engineering and reimagining broken systems, missing voices, and the status quo. For show notes, visit the episode page. || October 2, 2018
